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August 2013

Our new Season of meetings begin on Thursday Sept 12th   please look up ourCalandar page for latest details 




Dear friends in refrigeration, 

I regret to inform you that member Russ Nicholson  passed away last month,  his committal was on Thursday 11th July 2013

Russ lived in China in recent years after serving many years with Carter Refrigeration at their London Offices, he kept in touch via emails, talking of life in China along with topics of the day and risqué jokes which I never dare pass on,  May he rest in peace.. RAF 

The Final meeting of the Society for 2012/13 season was as usual our walk around this great city of ours.
our Blue Badge Guide Stan Medland who guided 24 members and friends around "Charles Dicken's London" told us details of his life.
We went down little archways to view in peace the gardens of the legal heart of London, churches that the author knew and wrote about.
Stan gave us many details us of his wife and loves, his work as solicitor, reporter, actor etc
The weather was kind to us and we finished in a 16th centary pub "Ye Olde  Cheshire Cheese" that Charles knew well.
A most enjoyable evening and a fitting end to a programe of events for yet another succesful season.
As soon as our organising secretary can formulate next years events Starting in September we will publish on this web site or email to those who have registered with us,   See our contact page
Regards to all RAF
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We are starting to get copied on email answers to queries on the F Gas Regulation from the Environment Agency.  They have requested that if you need to refer anyone please do not use the old defra or enviros email addresses but the new This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.   (this will go straight through to Richard Troupe and the others on the F Gas team at the EA).  Ive updated the ACRIB website under news as below but you may like to let members know or update your websites too..
“The Environment Agency Chemical Compliance Team is now responsible for Fluorinated Greenhouse Gas (F-gas) support services related to the F Gas Regulations.
They will be monitoring and enforcing compliance using a range of approaches; working to raise awareness across particular industry sectors and using risk-based targeting to check individual companies are operating within the law. If they detect non-compliance at a site that they would not normally inspect, they will work with other enforcing authorities to determine what action is needed and bring the site into compliance. They will also continue enforcing F-gas controls at sites that hold a permit and are already inspected by EA staff
The F Gas Support Guidance notes on the regulation are still available from the DEFRA website (www.defra.gov.uk/fgas) but these will be updated and moved on to a dedicated F Gas page on the EA website in due course.
If you need to report any instances of non-compliance by companies, individuals, end users or websites you can contact the EA direct who will follow these up.  Staff are also available to answer technical queries related to queries about the Regulations.  Contact This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Miriam Rodway
Institute of Refrigeration
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.          tel +44 (0) 208 647 7033



London Refrigeration Society

Meeting of 14th March 2013 at Chimes Wine Bar

13 attended the discussion “What is the Industries Future” lead by Mr Andrew Gaved Editor of RAC magazine.

Where is our Industry going? With new developments in technology are we going too fast or should we improve what we already have?  Do our engineers get enough training?  Should we just improve our gas tightness and contain these “horrible” substances?

Andrew told of the Cass Business School who had discovered after studying Formula One Racing Cars the fascinating fact that ‘too much advanced technology actually harms performance.” He suggested this could be equally true of refrigeration? Are we developing new systems and not trialling them thoroughly? References were made by the group to several catastrophic failures in systems that blew joints, exploded, had partial shut downs, or were topped up with non-compatible substances! Was this because the technology had been brought in before the industry, particularly the engineers, were thoroughly prepared for it?

Do development managers and end user managers agree on time lines, or are they pushing too fast? Is it cost or quality that decides progress? The Cass Business School concluded that ‘adapting current technology may be a better route than continually finding new solutions’.

One of the ways that we could be doing this, Andrew suggested is with HFOs - Hydro Fluoro Olefins which have a very short atmospheric life time and have a reduction in global warming potential for all production manufactures. They are new refrigerants, but they are designed to be used in the same way as HFCs, which means adaptation, not radical change.

We discussed car AC  where the car manufactures had all agreed to use these HFOs to meet the European directive, but now the Germans had dissented, because they really want to use CO2. But there are problems of CO2 in hot ambient weather systems where pressures rise dramatically. It was said that AC in a car decreases effective output by 4/5 HP . Will the Germans only sell their cars in colder countries in future?

We also talked about the popular supermarkets’ progress in introducing carbon dioxide to their systems and their varied success, but I will not mention names   You should have come and joined in the lively debate.  Andrew provocatively suggested that anyone working on refrigeration would need to learn about CO2 in the next five to ten years.

Should we reinvent the wheel and will employers really commit to real training?

We need Gentle Evolution not Violent Revolution. As the Cass researchers said, we must move ‘fast but not too fast.’  Yes all clichés I know, but as the guys on the sharp end of the industry we need answers very soon.

We thanked Andrew (and ourselves) for a very lively debate and an interesting meeting.

Ron Filer


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visit: www.racplus.com         The RAC edotor Mr Andrew Gaved


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